Clarity creates vision which then makes it easier to navigate through a stormy path. Adam Markel started practicing law with a fulfilled life but with a heavy heart. Even when he knew this, he kept living like this for 18 years. Adam feared making this change, but learned to face this fear and commit to the pivot process that life was throwing at him. Adam is now a renowned business growth consultant who helps entrepreneurs find their courage and their inner peace so they can be truly fulfilled in life and in business. Learn how you can make everything clearer for you.
Inner Peace, Self-Actualization And The Pivot Process with Adam Markel
Our guest is a business expert who started his profession as a schoolteacher but before long, he found himself spending more time helping people as a growth consultant and reaching them by speaking from stage. Appearing with Tony Robbins, Stedman Graham and others, he reaches business owners and entrepreneurs to help them with their personal reinvention. Also a podcaster and author, he brings a wealth of wisdom to the table. Welcome, Adam Markel, to the show.
Thank you so much for having me on the show, Mitch. It’s a pleasure to be here with you.
I love what you’re focused on. I love fact that you are helping people truly reinvent themselves in their personal life and in their business. Before you tell me all about that, how did you start out in your business life? Can we go back a bit and take a look at that time?
I’m age fifteen and I’m a baseball card entrepreneur. I bought and sold baseball cards. I enjoyed it. I love baseball cards at the time. I still occasionally look at them. I’m 28 years married to my college sweetheart with four kids and one of them is a boy. Not that the girls might not have been interested in baseball cards but as it turns out, it was just our son who was interested in that kind of thing. I got to revisit that hobby with him some years ago. I got started pretty early in that entrepreneurial space. I’ve been addicted to it and in love with it ever since.
I have another friend I know, Jeffrey Gitomer, who has an amazing collection of memorabilia and he’s too started when he was a little boy. Why didn’t you take that forward and make that your whole life?
I’ve asked that question a couple of times. I know some people that started ventures like comic stores or memorabilia stores, baseball card stores that thing, and I know some folks that even sell them online. When I got started, the internet wasn’t the thing. In fact I’m 52 and at fifteen, the internet wasn’t an option. I got onto other things. I pivoted but not in the sense that I consciously chose to pivot. It was a moving on and evolution which is another way I described pivoting, which is the book that I wrote some time ago. It described this evolution of change and how it is that we find ourselves doing different things whether in our occupations or in our business pursuits.
It’s interesting because we all at some point in our lives pivot. I want to hear about your pivot. You went to school to become a teacher, is that right?
No. I went to school to become something. I don’t know what was I intended to become. I went to the University of Massachusetts in Amherst. That’s where I met my wife and I was a swimmer. I was in the swimming team there. I graduated with a degree in English. I don’t know if I thought I was going to be a professor or what have you, but I guess I was just trying to figure things out. There was no course that I took in college. No course I took in high school or earlier than that that was focused on, “What do you want to be when you grow up? Literally, what do you want to do with your life? What’s the highest value that you could be to the world? What’s the essence of business?” There was really nothing that I experienced in any of my formal education through college that directed me or informed me there.
I got a degree. I did decently well and then I got out of school. I didn’t know what to do. My wife had studied to be a teacher. She went to college to become an elementary education instructor. I got out and decided, “That sounds like a pretty good idea.” We were living in New York City at the time and the New York City school system was always looking for teachers. They couldn’t get enough of them and they said, “You can get a TPD or a Temporary Per Diem license to be a teacher in a middle school, junior high school with nothing but a degree in English.” I could be an English teacher. That’s what I did. I taught Language Arts for two years in the New York City school system.
I’m a product of that school system. I grew up in Brooklyn, New York. I know I wasn’t easy on the teachers. I don’t know how you did do that, but I hope you got a good school.
I got two good schools. I was in two schools in Queens and I grew up in Queens. I’m a kid from New York City as well, the boroughs. I don’t know that I was easy on my teachers when I was in school and I don’t know that I had some really great teachers quite frankly. Just a couple, not even a full handful. When I was a teacher, it was some of the most challenging work I’ve ever done to this day. Some of the most rewarding work I’ve ever done. In the end, the teachers that I was around, the ones that ironically had been my teachers, some of them had been my teachers when I was in school, they were all uniformly counseling me to get out while I could before I spend too much more time pursuing that profession. They said, “This is a dark road.” I did. I thought again about whether this was the road I wanted to be on ten years from now and I pivoted.
What was the leg out for you? When you finally did leave the teaching profession, what did you go to?
I went back to school. I started to work at a series of odd jobs. I was a bartender. I was a lifeguard. I was waiter. I taught summer camp swimming lessons, things like that. I studied for the law school entrance exam, the LSAT. Ultimately, I was admitted to Saint John’s University School of Law. I was right there in Queens while I was in Jamaica. I started law school. My wife had a teaching position and three years later, we had two kids and I was graduating and getting ready to take the bar exam.
Did you take the bar?
I did. I took the bar. I took it in New York and New Jersey. Proudly passed on both first attempts. I was a newly minted lawyer and making my mother-in-law very proud.
That’s what our parents’ dreams are and unfortunately, I think if we reflect on the population, particularly the middle class population, as a young person, we become the product of what our parents hoped we would be in many cases. Hence, the business that you’re in today. Before we go there, how did you transition from being an attorney into the next thing that you did?
That’s a long swath of time. I spent eighteen years in practice of law and I would say, after five years, I started to realize that I did not love it. In fact, I would start the day quite often at a certain point in time where I was putting my feet on the floor and it was dark outside. I was getting ready to head into the city, commute into the city and the kids are sleeping. We had four kids by this time and my wife is sleeping next to me and I’m putting my feet on the floor and the first feelings that I’m experiencing of my wakingness is dread, tiredness, anxiousness, even anxiety or anger. Because I realized that I’m about to do the same thing I did yesterday with mild changes to it. It’s not bringing me joy. I’m not fulfilled by it. I don’t love it and it feels actually like it’s killing me. That went on for a long time. I ignored it for some time. I didn’t know what to do with it frankly.
What I did was get up, shower, get coffee, get to the office and just go about my day and earn as much money as I possibly could. I was convincing myself that if I could just earn enough money, I could buy back my freedom. That was the proverbial selling of my soul. Looking back on it, that’s what I was doing, selling my soul for money. That time was very valuable to me because pain is a great catalyst for change. It’s not the only catalyst, but it was my catalyst. I think it’s a lot of people’s. I was in great pain that time. I had so much to be grateful for. I was married to an amazing woman that I love to this day more than anything I can say and four healthy kids and a thriving business, and yet I woke up and I was unhappy and I was routinely unhappy. At times during the day, I would get angry very quickly and just living a life of mediocrity and misery.
If you hear what Adam is saying and you identify even a little with any of his story, you’re really going to be glad you’re listening. I think what you went through, Adam, is the same thing many of us go through. There was a time in my life, it was right after I built and sold my software company and I was working for the new owners. I had to show up at the corporate headquarters every single day and I had the same feelings you did. Initially, I was trapped. I had to do it for two years. That’s called the earnout period. Then I was offered a job to be the chief operating officer of all of Sage US and I said yes to that against my will. I said yes because I wanted the money not because I liked it, loved it or wanted to do it. It was that point in time that the amount of daily pain killers to stop the headaches increased. This is this point in our lives where we must pay attention to our bodies and to what we are hearing from the inside. I think the next part of Adam’s story is going to be wonderful because it will really show us what to do next. Adam, you finally left the practice of law, now what?
This again is a key piece for everybody. I didn’t come home one day and looked at my wife and say, “I’m quitting my job or quitting my business.” I had responsibilities, houses, cars, kids to feed and clothe and all the rest and clients to take care. The pivot process that I teach and that I wrote about in the book and then our teams help people to navigate, that pivot process took two and a half years for me. I used the story which you will appreciate this one because it’s a Massachusetts-based story. It’s fun. We were living in New Jersey at the time. We currently live in California. We own a home on the Cape and there’s a little bridge in this town we’re in called Oak Bluffs and there’s an adjacent town called Vineyard Haven. There’s a little pond that separates the two, a place called Lagoon Pond, and a bridge that carries you from one body of land to the other. As we drive over that bridge in the summertime thousands and thousands of times over the many years we’ve gone there, we noticed that the bridge was getting deteriorated. It was getting old. One day, we’re driving and we see that they’re building something right next to this old bridge, this old drawbridge. We stopped and ask what was going on and they said, “We’re going to build another bridge here.” The Army Corps of Engineers basically said, “This bridge couldn’t withstand a hurricane or even potentially a nor’easter.” It took fast forward more than a year, a lot of money, probably millions of dollars to build this second bridge.
All the while I was thinking, “This is such a great analogy for the pivot that I had experienced and the ones that we then work with people on.” I said, “You’ve got this first bridge and maybe the bridge is broken down or maybe it’s going to breakdown but in essence you know it’s not the bridge that’s going to carry you to your future. You build a second bridge.” So much I think of the prevailing thoughts on this subject in our culture is that to create something new, to innovate or to iterate something or to evolve or to just try out change whether it’s a change or job or a change of career, your business, your health, your relationships, you’ve got to burn the ships behind you. You’ve got to burn the bridges behind you. You’ve got to jump ship. You’ve got to do something really big and bold.
That is a debilitating myth. It’s an insidious myth that for the most part keeps people from ever changing. The risk involved in quitting your job or telling your boss to shove it or shutting down the doors of your business overnight or moving to Fiji or leaving a relationship or something like that abruptly, the risk is enormous and so fear gets activated. The natural tendency for a survival instinct, the training, the way our amygdala operates will keep us the same, will keep us in our box. It will keep us in our safety zone because it cannot deal with the fear associated with the unknown. This great unknown is when you jump ship. My story and what we teach is not about jumping ship. It’s about building a second bridge. At least, that was my experience so we built the second bridge. Over time, I built the second bridge to a new career while I was practicing law, while I was continuing to serve my clients and take care of my responsibilities both at work and at home.
What’s interesting to finish the story is that we saw the second bridge get constructed and completed and then they knocked down the first bridge, which is what you would expect. The old bridge no longer has a purpose. The new bridge, you can drive over and walk over and bike over so they knocked down the old bridge. Then one day, we were driving past this spot and we realized they’re building another structure. I’m like, “What the heck is that?” We asked again and they told us, “This is the permanent bridge.” The second bridge, the bridge that replaced the first one was a temporary bridge. I thought, “How again perfect is that analogy to pivoting?” You might think that you want to construct the perfect second bridge and a lot of people will wait until they’re inspired to be building that second bridge and knowing that it will replace the first bridge and then they can go for it. That keeps them stuck again in fear or in doubt or worry or just uncertainty.
This was a perfect example that the second bridge in this story was temporary and that was the same case for me. I pivoted out of the law into a career as a public speaker, a trainer and a facilitator of life-change programs, of business development and personal growth and human potential programs. I pivoted to that occupation and ran a company, one of the largest companies in that space for almost seven years and then pivoted yet again out of that. That was not the permanent bridge. That was the temporary bridge and then ultimately, pivoted again to create and utilize my own curriculum, the pivot curriculum, to help people more directly reinvent themselves, reinvent their personal situations or their professional lives. The bridge is the story.
I do appreciate it because that’s what we do in Massachusetts. We just keep building bridges one after the other. We don’t care how long it takes or how much it costs. We just want to make sure that we’re just always interfering with traffic. That’s what we like here in Massachusetts. I love your story for several reasons. One of them is because we all go through this. I have a little bit different viewpoint, Adam. The way I see it is that I believe that we have some divine guidance. I don’t know exactly what to call that but I’ve always felt that in my life. I don’t know exactly what it is but I feel I’ve always been guided at some level.
For me, there are times when something can abruptly stop and all the feelings you talked about rush right in. It’s the fear, it’s the anticipation of what could go wrong. In one case, I found myself at the point after Chet Holmes had passed away that I was no longer going to be connected to the company and I was literally overnight completely on my own. That was a difficult time in life. What I had to do was I had to basically start building that second bridge awfully fast. I had to do it without a lot of information. I think the process you teach is great if you are in a position to work out of one thing and into the next. What about us? What about those of us who lose a job, who have to leave for unspecified reasons? My dad and my mom got divorced and when the divorce proceeding started, my grandfather fired my father. Here you are all of a sudden, the guy is in a job for seventeen years and all of a sudden, he gets fired. He has nothing else to do. These are the things that happen to us in real life as well. How do we deal with those?
There are two pivots and probably more, but the way we look at them there are pivots by design and pivots by default. I have a podcast called The Conscious PIVOT that is actually I think really appropriate to this, but I won’t digress into that. I designed my pivot because I realized that I was miserable as a lawyer and I chose to build another bridge. That was the first time I consciously did that. The other kind of pivot is one where you don’t choose. Where a hurricane comes and destroys your home like we’re seeing in Florida and in other places around the world right now or earthquakes or fires or any of these things. Where our job is lost, whether it’s in a situation of vindictiveness like the one that you just described or in other situations where I have also either lost a job because I was fired or lost a job because in my latest situation, the company I was working for and was the CEO of, and my business partners and I did not have the same vision for the company. We did not see eye-to-eye and ultimately had parted.
While there were signs on the wall and there are always signs. If you live on an island in the Caribbean, it’s pretty rest assured you’re going to see a hurricane or two. There’s no question that even with your dad’s situation with divorcing your mom, and I also came from a house where after 25 years my parents split, we didn’t get any warning of it. They fought everyday. “Why was this day different than another day?” This day the fight was, “No. We’re leaving each other.” I completely understand what that’s like to both lose your job, to have your involvement in a business stopped. All these things and there are always signs, there are always ways to look back and go, “This was not as blindsiding an event as I might have thought in the moment.” The bottom line is, “What do you do when that happens?” That’s your question.
To me, the process is a very personal one but one that we provide the blueprint for. With the book Pivot where the subtitle was The Art and Science of Reinventing Your Career and Life, we cover the essential things that go on in the process of discovering what is there to be discovered. What is there in front of you to become aware of so that you can make decisions that are right decisions for you in the moment. It’s the essence of personal growth work that when there’s a change that comes upon you, you’ve got to first look at that situation through a lens that empowers you to continue to move forward. Through a lens that empowers you to gain the wisdom to be able to evolve in a positive way in your life and that’s a very personal journey. For me, the first step in anybody’s pivot is always to embrace it. To not avoid it, to not resist it, but to embrace that situation whatever it is so that you can gain the wisdom from it, you can gain the message that’s being delivered to you. Then ultimately, you can transmute it and alchemize it from whatever you might think is a negative into something that is really useful in your life. In corporate terms, there are specialists and consultants that teach change management. When I teach that topic, I teach it as change utilization.
T: The first step in anybody’s pivot is always to embrace it.
I have a little bit different name for that situation. I think we are in life destined to experience disappointment even tragedy and despair. To me, that is the gift. The gift of despair comes at a time when you’ve ignored all the other signs. Like you said before, your parents were fighting every night, you were there. You know what happens. Ultimately, the only way that change can happen is through despair. To me, that becomes the pivot point and that’s the gift. If you embrace the gift, if you live through the despair and you utilized it and let it fuel you into wherever that you’re going to be or do next, then you can evolve. The way I like to think about it is in a scientific format, there’s this term of evolution where in the world of science, electrons jump from one level to another. After the excitement level of the electron, the movement of the electron moves so quick it just jumps, bounce and moves into the next band.
Here’s the interesting thing, once you evolved to the next level and you’re now oscillating or vibrating at that higher level, you don’t go back. What ends up happening is that if it weren’t for the fact that the heat was turned up or the frequency was turned up, you’d never make the jump. I think what happens with the way I view life with the type of guidance that I’ve gotten is that I feel as if I’m shown signs. When the signs are ignored, the signs get louder and then I ignore the loud signs, they start to look like hammers on my toe until eventually, there is that moment where they’re just despair and then I can’t but pay attention. That’s when the pivot is most needed. What I’m hearing and I told you this I said, “I wish I had your book back when it was my time, back when I was in that process and felt lost and filled with despair and not knowing exactly what to do.” Let’s talk a little bit about the process itself. Let’s say I’m on the couch with you right now and I come to you Adam and say, “I just lost my job. I don’t know what I’m going to do next,” or another scenario that would work better for you to describe it, how would you get somebody started into the process of a pivot?
The first step is always the same and that is to gain clarity. When we’re looking at a windshield for example in a car and we’re driving and the windshield has mud or dirt on it, it’s very difficult to see. If we’ve ever driven in snow, oftentimes you know you have to squirt this windshield fluid on it to clean the windshield. Then at a certain point between whether it’s the dirt or it’s the ice, the snow freezing and things like that, ultimately it becomes quite difficult to see, which means we have to slow down. I think that’s where a lot of people are in their lives. That they cannot see clearly ahead on the road so they slow down and often, they stop even. The situation you are describing where there’s been a loss of a job or one of these things that we would call a challenging event or a catastrophic event, what we might look at as a catastrophe, will often stop us dead in our tracks.
To be able to move forward quickly, we have to gain clarity. Cleaning the windshield is the analogy for the process. The process that we use is six steps. One, to unbelieve. We examine the belief systems. The things that you believe about not just the situation you’re in but other areas of your life that created that situation. Two, letting go. Where is there an opportunity to let go of certain things that may be holding you back that you may be resisting or dealing with resistance in your life because you’re holding on to things from the past? The third area is to face your fear. This is a part of the journey of life. It’s the evolution of courage in us is to face our fears and to be able to move forward despite them. Not to try to eliminate them because that will never happen. Four, to enter that pivot phone booth. What we call the place of you and I identifying who we are, who are you? I entered the pivot phone booth when I was in my early twenties as a lawyer. I entered the booth as a student, I emerged with a suit and a tie and a briefcase and came out as a newly minted lawyer.
In my 40’s, I entered the pivot phone booth yet again as a lawyer and then came out as a trainer, as a teacher, as a counselor. Somebody that wanted to help people in a very different way than the way I was helping them in my law profession. “Who are you? Who will come out, who will emerge from that process, come out of the phone booth on the other side?” Number five, to envision your future. To look at, “What is your actual life’s purpose? What do you want your future to look like, to be?” In many ways, it’s about looking at legacy and reverse engineering backward to this moment in time, which very few people ever do. Six, to make a decision. To know something at the end of the process that you don’t currently know. Clarity gives you vision and vision allows you to navigate the future. That’s all we’re talking about. Anybody that’s lost a job or lost something where the loss has created a pain, and I understand what you’re talking about when you talk about sorrow. You grieve. I’ve had grieving in regard to the loss of a partnership or the loss of a business or the loss of a job or other things in my life as well. That grieving process is a process.
At the end of the first five of these steps, you’re in a position then to have this greater vision to be able to make a decision. If you knew when you lost your job that a year from now that all would be well, that financially you’d be well, that you’d be doing work that you loved or loved more, that you’d be building that second bridge, even if you had to build that second bridge more quickly. Maybe you even had to build the bridge and be walking on the bridge as you’re building it, which sometimes is a part of the process. To just create something that instead of it being the temporary bridge that took a year that I was describing earlier, maybe this bridge is like a rope and you’re walking on a tight rope to get across. It’s still a bridge nonetheless and it leads to the next evolution or the next iteration of that bridge structure. You have to decide. That’s how our lives changed. We’re a product of our decisions. Everyday, how we live is a product of our best thinking, is the reflection, is the example of our best thinking to that point. Being able to make better decisions is ultimately and to make a decision about what it is that we truly are called to do next is the process.
That person sitting on the couch, you don’t have to sit on the couch for very long but you do have to be quiet. You do have to be still. You do have to be prepared to give yourself the time to grieve if that’s necessary, to examine, to be in a place of building a new foundation. What a lot of people tend to do out of fear and necessity or what they believe is need is that they rush into something else quickly. To just stop the bleeding or to somehow get rid of the fear in the moment and I get that as well and yet, there is still a way to do that and do what I’m describing. Even if you had to take a job temporarily to pay the bills, you work the process to build that bridge now. You dammed it up, you put your hands on the dam and you know you can’t hold that dam with your hands or with Band-Aids for very long, and that’s the process of then building another bridge while you’re holding the dam. The whole thing is very clear that there are actionable steps to take. There is an empowerment plan for you, for me, for any of us when change happen suddenly.
What you have, Adam, is a process and as an engineer, I love processes. I love to know that if I follow steps one through five, I get the result at the end of the process. You’ve taken something very personal and somewhat subjective. It seems like you’ve built a beautiful process that is gentle but yet valuable. Unlike jumping off the cliff and building the parachute on the way down, you instead have created a process that people go through and know that if they trust it, they’ll have an answer at the end. It’s beautifully done and the way you describe it, it makes it even more intriguing. Adam, if any of our listeners want to find out more about either how to do this or what this is about, is there a place we can send them?
I have a gift was well because people here may well be in a pivot. They may be in a pivot or one may be coming and they might be curious about where they are in that process. I very much appreciate how you frame that because we often tell people this is a process not a plan. Too often in business, we see people that rush to strategy too quickly. They can go to StartMyPivot.com and get a six-step question, a kick-start guide to help them to answer the question of where they are in the process. Either in the pivot or maybe that one is on the horizon, StartMyPivot.com. We also have some videos that people would really find very valuable at PivotIncubator.com. Lastly, if they like to get the book, Amazon is a great place to find the book. It’s the least expensive opportunity to purchase Pivot: The Art and Science of Reinventing Your Career and Life.
Thank you, Adam. Those are great resources. I told you already that I just can’t wait to read your book. I’m going to check out the Start My Pivot questions as well. What we talked about is a unique process, something I’ve never ever heard before. I love the fact that it’s highly-customized. That it’s sensitively built to guide a person through to a final result. I know that you’re helping many, many people. I have a couple of questions for you and this question is one that I use to help me better understand my guests. I ask it at the end because I think it’s a great way to reflect on the conversation that we just had. Who, in all of space and time, would you like to have one hour to enjoy a walk in the park, a quick lunch or an intense conversation with?
I’m going to say right now, Gandhi. I would love to spend an afternoon walking in the park and sitting in the presence of Gandhi.
The only thing about that is that there probably wouldn’t be much conversation.
I was thinking that’s funny you should say. I’ve been reading his autobiography and he was a lawyer. He had a lot of the same things that were challenging for me about the practice of law, were challenging for him. We had a lot in common. I’m not comparing myself at all so we’re clear to Mahatma Gandhi. I would also love to have those conversations with him.
Adam, if I can arrange that for you, I will do my best.
Finally, the grand finale question. This is in a sense the question that I think sets us up for maybe another visit together on the show or even off the show. I call it the change the world question. What is it that you are doing or would like to do that truly has the potential to literally change the world?
If I had a magic wand, and I feel like I do, I have a magic wand. I wouldn’t even say if because I do believe I have a magic wand and it’s just the question of the power of that wand. Being on the show right now, I think this is a moment where the wand gets to be used. I’m committed to helping people to create their peace. I’ve got that downloaded to me some time ago that I was here to help people achieve their peace, to find peace. It was actually the words that came to me was world peace through self-actualization. It’s a term and a description that is confusing in some ways to some folks. I know exactly what it means. It means that we each have the opportunity to create our inner peace and that’s the highest expression of ourselves. When we are at peace, we are fully expressed. The term that Maslow used for that full expression of the self is self-actualization.
I believe that what we are doing in our work with Pivot is helping people to find that peace, that inner peace in the essence of the work that we do when we talk about the rituals and the beliefs and the things that we must embody in order to be successful in our lives and to be successful in that pivot process. We teach about momentum and how it is that you get into momentum and the baby steps that are required whether it’s to start a new business or start a new job or a new career or any of those things. The smallest domino in that process of creation, of creating something including the process of creating our inner peace, our self-actualization, the tiniest of dominoes is self-love. It is the most challenging thing that I’ve seen in my 52 years or at least the adult years that I’ve been thinking about it, that most people do not have a genuine understanding of self-love, that they don’t actually love themselves unconditionally.
They love themselves when they are behaving. They love themselves when the money is flowing and when people like them and that’s when they look good in their clothes and all that things they love themselves. Then they, more often than not, don’t love themselves. They deny themselves love and that’s exactly what they project into the world. The love they give themselves is the love they give others. The judgment that they have for themselves is the judgment that they also have for other people. Self-love to me is the road to peace. I want to share this one practice right now that the folks listening will use this practice on their own for any length of time to give it a try whether it’s 21 days or it’s longer. It may well change how they really feel about themselves and it’s a very simple process. It’s three steps.
When you are waking up tomorrow, when I am waking up tomorrow hopefully, there are people who won’t. There will be people who have taken their last breath at the moment that we are taking our first breath. To wake up is a blessing. In that moment where you feel so blessed to realize that you have been restored to life, to consciousness, you can be grateful right then and there for anything at all that you want to be including that breath, that life. The third part, if you so choose is to say these words out loud or to think them to begin your day by saying, “I love my life. I love my life. I love my life.”
Adam Markel, thank you for your wisdom. Thank you for your heart. Thank you for what I hope is the beginning of a new friendship because you are the type of guy that I really connect with. I’ve so enjoyed this conversation. I really can’t wait until the next one. Thanks for being on the show, Adam.
Thank you for having me.
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
- Adam Markel
- Sage US
- The Conscious PIVOT
- Pivot: The Art and Science of Reinventing Your Career and Life